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  ProCore Coil Compatibility 40+ coils
Posted by: CosmicTruth - 05-14-2018, 07:27 PM - Forum: Specific Products Discussion - Replies (5)

Joyetech ProCore coils, are the standard coils for all the Joyetech ProCore Series tanks:
ProCD 0.15ohm Kanthal reticular (mesh) coil DL 40-80W
ProCA 0.4ohm Kanthal for DL 40-80W
ProC1 0.4ohm Kanthal for DL 40-80W
ProC1-S 0.25ohm Kanthal for MTL/DL 25-55W
ProC2 0.15ohm dual NiCr coil for DL 30-70W
ProC3 0.2ohm triple NiCr coil for DL 70-90W
ProC4 0.15ohm quad NiCr coil for DL 60-80W

Have you heard…

There are a few other coils that might fit ProCore series Tanks, the reader will need to further research to see if they may have any of these tanks and if their coils will fit and safely work in the Joyetech ProCore Conquer Tank. The following is furnished for information purposes only; I have not personally tested any of these coils to see if they even screw in. Of course you will be responsible for any damage of any kind, and I’m sure your warranty will be voided if you use non Joyetech coils in the Conquer tank. The wide range of possibilities may however give you opportunity to use the Conquer for TC mode, give ceramic coil possibilities, and maybe even a rebuild-able (RBA) coil, or possibly a ProCD mesh coil for your Baby Beast:

SMOK TFV8 baby coils, these are used for the SMOK TFV8 Baby Beast:
Baby Beast V8-T8 Octuple Coil 0.15ohm: 50-110W / Best: 60-80W
Baby Beast V8-Q2 Dual Coil 0.4ohm: 40-80W / Best: 55-65W
Baby Beast V8-Q2 Dual Coil 0.6ohm: 20-50W / Best: 30-40W
Baby Beast V8-X4 Quadruple Coil 0.15ohm: 30-70W / Best: 45-60W
Baby Beast V8-T6 Sextuple Coil 0.2ohm: 40-130W / Best: 70-90W
Baby Beast V8-M2 Dual Coil 0.25ohm: 25-45W / Best: 35W = Optimized for the SMOK Stick V8 (3.7 Direct Output Voltage)
Baby Beast V8-M2 Dual Coil 0.15ohm: 25-45W / Best: 35W = Optimized for the SMOK Stick V8 (3.7 Direct Output Voltage)
Baby Beast V8-T12 Duodecuple Coil 0.15ohm: 50-90W / Best: 60-80W

AsMODus Ohmie coils; these are used in the Asmodus Ohmie Tank:
0.5ohm Dual Kanthal Coil Atomizer: 40 - 60W
0.2ohm Sextuple Kanthal Coil Atomizer: 70 - 90W

Eleaf HW Kanthal coil Atomizer heads, these are used in the Ello and Ello Mini tanks:
HW2 Dual-Cylinder 0.3 ohm 30-70W (Best 45-65W)
HW3 Triple-Cylinder 0.2 ohm 50-130W (Best 70-90W)

E-XY T1 coils, these are used in the E-XY T1 RBA Tank:
E-XY T1 0.2ohm

Geekvape iM4 coils, these Kanthal coils are used for the Illusion Mini Tank:
iM4 0.15ohm quad 50-120W (best 60-80W)
Illusion RBA?

iJoy XS coils, these are used in the Ijoy Exo S and Ijoy Exo X:
0.1ohm XS-C4 Quad Coil - rated for 40-100W
0.4ohm XS-C1 Single Coil - rated for 40-80W

Karnoo T1 coils, these are used in the Karnoo T1 Sub Ohm Tanks:
T1 0.2ohm
T1 V2 0.4ohm

Sigelei SM coils, these are used for the SLYDR M Sub-Ohm tanks and the KAOS Sub-Ohm Tank:
SM2 0.4ohm Single coil 40-75W (best 50-65W)
SM4 0.15ohm Dual coil 30-65W (best 40-55W)
SM6 0.2ohm Triple coil 40-120W (best 75-95W)

Vapefly Fantasy Mini M8 coils, these are used as an alternative to the SMOK TFV8 Baby Beast, SMOK TFV8 Big Baby Beast, Ijoy Exo S and Ijoy Exo X:
M8 – 0.15 ohm octuple coil head 50-120W (best 60W-80W)

Vaporesso NRG coils, these are used in the Vaporesso NRG Mini Tank:
GT2 Kanthal 0.4ohm: 40 - 80W / Best 55 - 65W
GT4 Kanthal 0.15ohm: 30 - 70W / Best 45 - 60W
GT6 Kanthal 0.2ohm: 40 - 100W / Best 70 - 90W
GT8 Kanthal 0.15ohm: 50 - 110W / Best 60 - 80W
GT CCell Ceramic 0.3ohm: 25W-40W
GT CCell Ceramic 0.5ohm: 15W-35W

Vaptio Frogman coils, these are used for the Frogman Tank:
0.4ohm Frogman-W2 Single coil 30W to 80W
0.15ohm Frogman-W4 Dual coil 30W to 70W
0.2ohm Frogman-W6 Triple coil 40W to 130W
0.15ohm Frogman-W8 Quadruple coil 50W to 110W

WOTOFO FLOW coils, these are used for Flow Sub Ohm Tank:
0.25ohm Parallel Dual Coil 35 - 60W

That is a lot of coil possibilities!
Take note however these coils may not be 100% cross compatible, the Baby Beast V8-X4 Quadruple Coil 0.15ohm fit and worked great in a Joyetech ProCore Aries tank but Joyetech ProC4 would not fit into a Smok Baby Beast tank. And in my opinion Joyetech coils are better in most cases than the competitors.

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  Joyetech ESPION Infinite honest review.
Posted by: Crazybasil - 05-14-2018, 02:53 PM - Forum: Products Review - Replies (3)

Good day to you all, dear forum users! There comes the long-awaited and, I hope, a warm summer - it's time to met the unique sunsets and dawns outside and enjoy every single of them. Dimensional tranquility of sleeping cities remarkably motivates for walks in night parks and embankments, for contemplation of the darkened streets and bright lights of city centers. Who can (or can not) become a wonderful companion for such good times?
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So, in front of us is a box with Joyetech ESPION Infinite, equipped with an atomizer ProCore Conquer. The box is not simple: an outer layer of thick paper with the image of the hero painted in the corresponding color, beneath - a cardboard rectangle with all of the contents. From the box into the light of the world an amazing box-mod with a black abyss instead of a display and a fancy bubble-glass atomizer are born.
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ESPION Infinite is a big box-mod. It works on a pair of 21700 batteries (or 18650 - with the help of pretty high-quality silicone overlays). Its height with the ProCore Conquer atomizer is 140.5 millimeters, and 89 without it. The device width of 33 millimeters is capable to settle on a tank up to 30 millimeters in diameter without any overhangs, the connector is centered and spring-loaded. And finally, the length of the device is 49.5 millimeters. Infinite is very weighty, but most of its weight depends on the batteries used. The kit may or may not include two Avatar 21700 batteries with a stated current output of 40A and a capacity of 4000mAh. Inside the box you will find a ProCD 0.15 Ohm coil with a heating element made from the mesh, an USB cable with quick charge support, a spare transparent bubble glass and a bag of o-rings for the atomizer. The second coil, ProCA 0.4 Ohm, is pre-installed in a ProCore Conquer, having a diameter of 25 millimeters and the capacity of 5,5 milliliters.
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ESPION Infinite has a small colorful display with the ability to choose the color of the interface, can work in all modes, excluding Bypass ('cause, you know, Bypass and batteries connected in series are not quite like to work together). The maximum power of the device is 230 watts, the maximum voltage is 9V, the maximum current output is 50A - everything is standard. The devil lies in one detail - the minimum supported resistance in all modes is now 0.05 Ohm. And, of course, Infinite supports fast charging with currents up to 2A and has a built-in charge balancer. More details with the characteristics can be found on the manufacturer's website.
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Before walking, the beast must be fed. With the atomizer, everything is standard - already familiar disassembly scheme for soaking the coil and the usual sliding top cover. We disassemble, soak, assemble, attach it to ESPION – it's all set. As for the mod, the battery cover is massive and reliable: snap it off and either remove the protective stickers from the pre-installed batteries, then install them, observing the polarity, or install your own batteries. The most interesting begins after that - the abyss wakes up and is lit up by millions of iridescent lights. In the heart of a huge shimmering lake lies the 0.96-inch island, which displays the current settings and time. The abyss is controlled by you and has a lot of modes and colors: everything that has to do with it is in the menu, navigation is carried out by methods, familiar to any vaper. Here, in the design of the device, minus is hidden - the adjustment buttons are located on top, near the tank. This can be a little bit annoying and can cause problems when working with atomizers prone to leaks. USB connector is the same - it is also located close to the top. However, there is no leakage from the ProCore Conquer, the reservoir is sealed even with a pretty weared up coil.
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Let's return to the unique and unparalleled lighting. This is not a loud statement, but a harsh reality - no one from competitors even got close to such a richness of colors and creating a tunnel effect, after which Infinite got its name. The whole area of the front panel as if rushing inward, whirling in a whirlwind of crazy combinations of color and form. The backlight can be active only when Fire button is pressed, synchronized with the display, always on, or off, but who would ever want to do that? Of the modes, except for various fixed variants, the Random parameter is interesting, demonstrating to everyone all of the ESPION capabilities in a random order. Of the pleasant little things in the settings - the absence of tenths in choosing the power. Miracle from Joyetech can show the time in the switched-off state - just hold down the main button. It was not without a strange minus in the work of lighting - if you suddenly wished that it was synchronized with the display, then be ready to turn the face of Infinite into a dark corner when charging. The device will demonstrate the process of charging the batteries on the screen and light-up everything in the process.
However, all these shortcomings pale, it is worth you to get ready for an overnight walk. Boldly proceed to the planned promenade, because the summer is too short to deny yourself in simple pleasures. The battery charge is more than enough for the whole night.
Joyetech ESPION Infinite functions just perfect. The response to a button press occurs in 25 milliseconds, after which the life-giving electricity starts the process of noble evaporation of the aromatic liquid with one of two most delicious coils in the ProC line. Each element of the structure is securely fastened and fitted to each other. For their money, the ESPION series continues to be one of the most qualitatively assembled in the segment. Infinite - large, high-quality, heavy, functional and bright. Go get one right now if you love it. Oh, yes, and on its back panel there is a reference for fans of the Star Wars - a trifle, but nice.

Many thanks to all for your attention and more bright moments in life!

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  eVic Primo Fit with EXCEED Air Plus Launching
Posted by: Ellen - 05-08-2018, 03:42 PM - Forum: Joyetech New Products - Replies (5)

Dear all,

We’re glad to introduce you the new eVic Primo Fit and EXCEED Air Plus atomizer kit.
Having a large 0.96 inch OLED display and an intuitive menu system, the eVic Primo Fit is such a compact starter box mod available in multiple stylish finishes. Featuring the new bulging glass tube and convenient push-to-open top filling system, the EXCEED Air Plus atomizer also presents you with more spare resin and cellular tubes. EX series heads with novel designs are meant to provide pure flavor with great vaping experience, no matter for mouth-to-lung or direct-lung. The eVic Primo Fit reaches a formidable 80W power along with a sequence of unique features including 2A quick charge, preheat, clock and timeout safety protect.

Click to learn more about the Joyetech eVic Primo Fit with EXCEED Air Plus.

Joyetech Group
May 8, 2018

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Posted by: gfdeputy2 - 05-08-2018, 05:05 AM - Forum: The Lounge - Replies (13)

is it run by a bunch of Kids?
Not sure I will be doing anything on there much longer. I have done a few reviews on there really good experience & members that helped me out with formatting
today I did a review & 1st two comments putting review down . I pointed out the scroll wheel on the mouse & told them they could use it if they didn't like it. well he is a moderator & He threatened to delete post & lose my attitude stated I don't have an attitude & delete it if he wanted no worries well it is not getting deleted but I have gone from a good positive Karma now to Negative Karma. Guess it is good timing for me to be busy at work as I don't have time for reviews currently

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  Joyetech ESPION Infinite with ProCore Conquer
Posted by: gfdeputy2 - 05-07-2018, 09:44 PM - Forum: Products Review - No Replies

What’s included?
1   ESPION Infinite
2   AVB 21700 battery (optional)
1   ProCore Conquer atomizer
1   ProCA (0.4ohm) head
1   ProCD (0.15ohm) head
2   18650 battery sleeve
1   QC USB cable
2   Manual
1   Warranty card
2   Warning card
Spare parts

2 *Size: 49.5mm(L) X 33.0mm(W) X 140.50mm(H)
1.95”(L) X 1.3” (W) X 5.5” (H)
Screen type: 0.96 inch TFT color screen
Screen resolution: 80 X 160 dpi
Output wattage: 1-230W
Output mode: Power/RTC/TC(Ni, Ti, SS316)/TCR(M1, M2, M3) modes
Resistance range: 0.05-1.5ohm for TC/TCR mode
0.05-3.5ohm for Power mode
Temperature range: 100-315°C/ 200-600°F
Battery using: 2 X high rate 21700/18650 cells (CDR 25A)
Max charging current: 2.0A
Max output current: 50A
Max output voltage: 9V Manual
1 * Warranty card
2 * Warning card
Spare parts
Joyetech continues the Espion lineup with the Joyetech Espion Infinite  A pretty cool classic “Tron / Tempest  video game look If you are under the age of 40 you may not get that reference. Mine came in the blue which is close to a cobalt blue with matching conquer bulge tank. That has a capacity of 5.5ML
My first thoughts were this sucker is heavy after a month of using the Espion Solo. Unfortunately I do not currently have a scale but weight wise it feels comparable to the old Smok XCube but the Infinite is a 230W  Dual 21700 mode that is capable of using 2) 18650 with the provided adapters. The good news is it is compact for being a dual 21700 battery mod & is not as bad as I thought it would be for a daily driver device. The lights are a neat feature but it makes the display look small. For my first downer is the screen material. It a flexible plastic imo it feels a little cheap compared to the rest of the device. I don’t think this will be very scratch resistant & I can feel a ripple or pop when I run my finger down the screen but I get it glass would be expensive with the cuts the display has. The menu system like other Espion’s is easy to navigate & is pretty much the same as the original Espion with added functions (ex. Light modes) the menu (+/- ) buttons have been moved to the top of the device which I think is a much better placement than on the front. It is a very flush centered 510. I have tried many tanks & rda’s & all sat flush with no gap on any of them.  It fires the new Conquer very fast almost instant response. This makes the experience with the ProCore mesh coil a pleasant one. The Conquer has probably the most airflow out of the Procore tanks & like the Procore Air it is a slide top for easy filling. A note of caution you will want to remove the Drip tip when filling when using some big bottles (You may not get the proper angle & will not fill properly) the Conquer with the Procore CD mesh coil sends decent vapor production with great flavor & seems to have respectable life (2 weeks so far) Speaking of life, Battery life is amazing. Even though I do not vape as much as I used to I still go through roughly 20 ml per day & when using the 21700 set I can go at least 3 days before charging. The Infinite is capable of 2Amp charging as well. I always liked the idea of reverse charging but my style of vaping with 18650 devices it was not practical. Now I wish this one had it!
My Pros:
Battery life
Ease of navigation
Conquer tank & CD mesh coil
2 Amp charging (A must with these batteries)

My Cons:
Screen material
Conquer filling (using big flat top bottles need to remove drip tip)
Heavy device (have to mention until 20700 / 21700 mods become more the Norm)

All & all this is another great addition to the Espion lineup & have been very pleased with it using as my daily driver for 2 weeks now

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  No coil for vaping...
Posted by: Ellen - 05-04-2018, 05:12 PM - Forum: The Lounge - Replies (11)

Imagine when there's NO coil for vaping… 眨眼
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  Guide to e-cig world.
Posted by: Crazybasil - 04-27-2018, 06:14 PM - Forum: The Lounge - Replies (5)

Hi, dear forum users! Recently, I have finished a big text work, collecting all my e-cig knowledge into one book. It starts with history and other moments, and I will try to translate some parts of that text for you. Maybe someone will be interested to read this. Sorry, if there are some mistakes, it's really big and still a work in progress.

The history behind the creation of electronic cigarettes.
In the second half of the 20th century, mankind realized that smoking causes significant harm to health, and began to look for ways to save people from such a harmful habit.
Attempts were very diverse, but at first, all of the inventors tried to come up with an alternative means of delivering nicotine into the body, considering the dependence on it as the main reason why it is difficult for a person to quit smoking. Nicotine patches, chewing gum, and various other ways were explored on the way.
Unfortunately, this did not give any special effect, and the person, even after receiving a fair dose, still used a cigarette - which means that the dependence was either not related to nicotine in general, or related to something else. And one of the well-founded assumptions is the purely psychological dependence: a habit of the process of smoking tobacco and the rituals associated with this process. So - it is necessary to give a person the opportunity to keep his habit, while protecting health from harmful substances.
And in 2004, in China, a pharmacist named Hon Lik, who survived a family tragedy shortly before that - the death of his father from lung cancer, was preoccupied with the idea of inventing a fundamentally new device that helps to deliver the nicotine to end user, that could be smoked like a cigarette and which would be more safe for health. The problem, in general, was not too complicated, and soon enough, Hon Lik invented an object that is now commonly called an electronic cigarette.
Principles of the operation of an electronic cigarette.
Let's see how an electronic cigarette works, and why it is such an effective simulation of conventional smoking.
To begin with, it should be mentioned that the property of glycerin, which turns out to be very useful in this case, is to turn spontaneously into steam when heated to about 200-300 degrees Celsius. Or rather, not even into steam, because we know from the school physics course that steam is a gas, pretty invisible to the human eye, but, to put it scientifically, into an aerosol: into a fine suspension of liquid droplets in the air. I must say that this principle was known long before the invention of electronic cigarettes, and many of you came across it personally - just so, heating the liquid based on glycerin and turning it into an aerosol, the stage smoke machines work.
Thus, to obtain an imitation of tobacco smoke from glycerin aerosol was very simple, it required only to wrap it all in a "body" that will make the process of inhaling similar to smoking a regular cigarette. The easiest way is to use a heating spiral like the one you can easily find in any electric heating appliance: iron, hair dryer, electric stove, boiler and so on. If an electric current is applied to such a spiral, somehow moistened with glycerine, the spiral will heat up and warm up the glycerin, which will turn into steam. To supply electricity, it is most convenient to use a regular battery, because we need to carry a cigarette in your pocket. And, the method of delivering the liquid to the spiral is also well known - it's an ordinary wick made of any suitable material that can absorb liquid.
In general, this is how any electronic cigarette is built - it is based on a heater in the form of a spiral made of nichrome, stainless steel, titanium and other similar materials, which is fed by a wick of cotton wool or silica thread (special glass fiber) using the liquid from a special tank or compartment. The user's inhaled air passes by the spiral, or directly through it, enriching at this moment with aerosol from the heated liquid and converted into this very same vapor that the electronic cigarette gives.
As you can see, everything is very simple, but, as they say, "the devil is in the details".
How electricity can be supplied, what forms the coil takes, how the reservoirs are arranged to supply liquid to the spiral, what kind of batteries are there, we'll carefully consider all of this in the following chapters, but for now, let's see what else besides glycerine is included in the liquid for electronic cigarettes.
Liquid for electronic cigarettes.
Not the last, and maybe even the first role in the simulation of the smoking process is played by liquid for refueling electronic cigarettes.
The liquid is usually factory-made, packed in vials in volume from 10 and up to 120 milliliters, equipped with either a pipette, or a convenient spout for filling of a liquid in a tank of an electronic cigarette.
In disposable electronic cigarettes, the liquid is placed inside the electronic cigarette on the factory and, once it is over, the cigarette can be disposed of.
As you have already understood, the basis of the liquid, which turns everything into a thick white vapor when heated, is glycerin. From it we will begin our acquaintance with the components of the liquid.
Glycerin (VG - Vegetable Glycerin).
From the course of organic chemistry in high school, we probably remember that glycerin C3H5(OH)3 is a fairly simple chemical compound that belongs to a group of alcohols, and more specifically, it is a triatomic alcohol. Transparent, rather viscous liquid, with sweet taste. Very hygroscopic, loves to absorb water and mixes with it in any proportions. The boiling point of pure glycerin is 290 degrees Celsius. Derivatives of glycerol (triglycerides) are an important part of the metabolism in living organisms, so that glycerin is not alien to our body at all.
Glycerin is produced mainly from vegetable or animal raw materials, or synthetically. In the quality liquid for electronic cigarettes, glycerin is used exclusively of vegetable origin.
Glycerin as a substance has been known to mankind for a long time, and it is widely used in a wide range of fields and industries: food, cosmetics, tobacco, paper, leather, medicine, agriculture, etc. It has, among other things, the properties of the stabilizer and emulsifier, and is registered as a food additive E422. This number can be found on the packaging of many products: where it is required to make the consistency thicker, or simply mix some poorly miscible components.
As for the health hazard, glycerin does not apply to substances that pose any danger to it, otherwise it would not be so widely and freely used.
On the other hand, the product of dehydration of glycerin, which is obtained from it by simple heating to a sufficiently high temperature - acrolein, is poisonous. In addition, in the synthetic production of glycerin, acrolein is one of the process steps, and if the final product is poorly purified from it, traces of acrolein may remain in it.
In the liquid for electronic cigarettes, if the manufacturer adheres to all the rules, vegetable glycerine is included in the medical grade of purification, thus, containing no hazardous to health impurities.
Propylene glycol (PG - Propylene Glycol).
Liquid components is not limited to glycerin. By itself, it has a rather pronounced sweetish and not very pleasant taste, and if the liquid contained only glycerin, it would have to be masked with a very large amount of flavor.
In addition, glycerin is thick, and for this reason, it's very difficult to him to pass through various wicks alone, which is very important for an electronic cigarette. So glycerin is better to dilute with something less sweet and less viscous, and another alcohol, this time monohydric - propylene glycol, perfectly suited this role.
This is also a colorless viscous liquid, and also has a sweet (but less pronounced than glycerin) taste. Propylene glycol is also very fond of water and easily mixes with it. Propylene glycol boils at a temperature of 190 degrees.
There are two other reasons why propylene glycol is usually present in the liquid on a par with glycerin:

  • Propylene glycol has a lower boiling point, and, when added to glycerin, it lowers the boiling point of the mixture, which allows steam to be produced at lower energy costs and at a lower temperature. And the lower the temperature, the better - less chance that unpleasant acrolein will start to emit from glycerin.
  • Propylene glycol causes a slight irritation of the mucous membranes, and this property seems to be harmful, the vapers use it to feel the so-called Throat Hit, a blow to the throat: feelings, something reminiscent of smoking a regular cigarette. One, but not the main and not the only component of the liquid that causes such an effect, is precisely propylene glycol.
As for the harm to health, besides the mentioned irritation of mucous and rarely occurring allergic reactions, propylene glycol is not noticed for any other dirty tricks, and is considered a safe substance. For example, it has been used in aerosols for asthma patients since the middle of the 20th century, and no side effects from its inhalation have been observed so far.
Water is a necessary part of the liquid, whether we like it or not. There is a fact that both used spirits are extremely hygroscopic, and in order to completely extract water from them, a special and expensive procedure is required. So the water in the liquid is contained in any case, even if it was not specifically added there. And this is a plus, because the presence of water further reduces the boiling point, and makes vaporization easier and safer.
The question of the health hazards applied to water, is somehow embarrassing to discuss. Let's just say, a lethal dose of water - about 15 liters at one go.
Food flavoring.
If the whole liquid consisted only of glycerin and propylene glycol, then electronic cigarettes would have hardly gained such popularity - they would be completely tasteless. Therefore, to give the smoker a familiar tobacco taste, or simply to make the taste pleasant, food flavorings are added to the liquid. They can be very different - in fact, the fantasy of the manufacturer of the liquid is not limited here, the food flavorings industry produces a great variety of them, and there is no reason why they could not be added to the liquid. Of course, liquids for electronic cigarettes with a taste of pasta with cheese or pizza are rare (although there are some), but various kinds of fruit, dessert and other flavors are very common.
There are also liquids without flavors (the so-called base) - they can serve both for the addition of their own flavors, and for vaping in a pure form. In particular, liquid without flavoring is advised to vape in the case when over-saturated aromas messed up your taste receptors.
Exactly the same flavors give the taste and aroma to a huge number of different products that you eat every day - candy, confectionery, chips, baked goods and much more. And that's why an electronic cigarette, say, with a strawberry taste, tastes more like a strawberry candy - also sweet, and the same strawberry flavor.
And, finally, the most often mentioned component of the liquid for electronic cigarettes is nicotine. It is believed that it is because of nicotine addiction that people smoke ordinary cigarettes, and therefore any means of substituting for tobacco smoking should include the delivery of nicotine into the bloodstream. This is partly true, because we have already said above that the habit of smoking is more of a psychological origin.
However, an electronic cigarette is a fairly effective way of delivering nicotine into the body, by simply adding it to the liquid. Nicotine perfectly and very quickly absorbed through the mucous membranes, so that when the vapor is inhaled, this process begins in the mouth, and continues in the lungs. Nicotine is certainly a poison, and irresponsible or careless handling of it can lead to the most serious consequences, even lethal. Fortunately, using an electronic cigarette, the flow of nicotine into the blood can be regulated quite accurately, since it can be added to the liquid in any desired amount, down to the smallest. Or do not added at all - such non-nicotine liquiids are also popular with those who decided to completely break up with nicotine, but are not ready to give up the habit of smoking.
Nicotine, which is a part of liquids for electronic cigarettes, is obtained from tobacco leaves, and if it is manufactured by a large pharmaceutical company, it undergoes numerous purification steps. In other words, absolutely pure nicotine is added to the liquid without any traces of tobacco, from which it was made. Nicotine affects primarily the cardiovascular system, narrowing the blood vessels and causing the heart to beat more often. For a young and healthy person this is not too dangerous, but if a vaper already has certain health problems, he needs to be especially careful with nicotine. Nicotine overdose causes a nausea, dizziness, headache. It is excreted from the body for about three hours, after which all the symptoms should pass. But, in any case, you should contact the doctor immediately after you feel symptoms of an overdose. As for the concentration of nicotine in a liquid for electronic cigarettes, it is usually measured in milligrams per one milliliter of liquid.
Incidentally, all these figures in milligrams are very similar to those that are written on packets of ordinary cigarettes, and which indicate the content of nicotine per cigarette.
With all the temptation to bring out some correspondence between the fortitude of cigarettes that a person smoked and the strength of a liquid for electronic cigarettes that he will need, none of this will work, there is no direct dependence for many reasons. Nicotine tolerance in each person's body is different, and the effectiveness of nicotine delivery of electronic and conventional cigarettes is too much different, and, most importantly, the amount of nicotine in one puff in the case of electronic cigarettes depends very much on the features of e-cig, such as power or coil used. So the necessary concentration of nicotine in the liquid for each vaper should be selected individually. The taste of nicotine is burning like a pepper. That is why this is the main component in the liquid for electronic cigarettes that is responsible for the Throat Hit mentioned above (in fact, TH is an irritation caused by nicotine or, to a lesser extent, propylene glycol). Naturally, the higher the nicotine content in a liquid, the stronger TH it will cause.
Nicotine salts (Nicsalts).
Now, salt-based nicotine is gaining popularity, providing better absorption to the human circulatory system.
Nicotinic salts are a form of nicotine found in tobacco leaves. Unlike the usual nicotine, salt nicotine is a more complex compound that contains, besides the substance itself, other organic components. It can be a combination of one or several chemical elements, but the result is always the same - the formation of a more stable molecule. Nicotine, traditionally used in liquids for vaping, is called "free" ("freebase nicotine"). This nicotine is usually not associated with any other substances and is considered preferable for vaping because of its volatility. But despite its advantages, it is not devoid of an important drawback - a serious initial assimilation by the body, since getting into the blood occurs not immediately after the first inhale. A mixture with a low level of acidity (pH) was obtained by adding a benzoic acid, which was better absorbed by the human body. It should be noted that the higher the pH, the more "free" nicotine will be contained in the vapor, and the more severe it will be for inhalation. Liquids with nicotinic salts in contrast have a much smaller TH and, with smaller volumes, they better satisfy the need for nicotine. I must say that the content of nicotine in such liquids is measured by several other values and can reach up to 100 mg/ml, but only a couple of puffs are enough for "saturation". What do all these innovations mean for end users? And there are a lot of pluses here, in fact. First, liquids with nicotinic salts in the rate of absorption of nicotine into the blood are as close as possible to ordinary cigarettes (without the hundreds of different additives of different carcinogenicity used in regular cigarettes). A lot of newcomers, vapers, moving from cigarettes to e-cigs, faced a problem when the state of "saturation" comes with a great delay. Hence, as a consequence, many "overdoses" and a whole bunch of unpleasant consequences for health. Salt nicotine in this case is able to cope with the function of blood saturation much better, as it is immediately absorbed through the lungs. A reasonable question arises about the safety of a person of such a new variety of nicotine. As the initial studies showed, although nicotinic salts contain "excess" components in comparison with free nicotine, they remain as safe when vaping, as well as the more familiar form of this substance. And, although animal tests still showed a small health risk, nevertheless, in the long term, liquids containing nicotine salts are not more harmful than conventional and certainly safer than "analog" cigarettes. But Dr. K. Farsalinos states that, since there is practically no full-scale research to date, the acid contained in the composition can possibly react with some parts of the atomizers and cause their corrosion.

So, we have found out that the liquid for electronic cigarettes consists of glycerol, propylene glycol, water, flavor and nicotine (the latter two components may be completely absent). The strength of the liquid is determined by the concentration of nicotine, and can be different. The higher the strength of the liquid, the more nicotine will enter the blood of the vaper with one puff. And, of course, the taste of liquid at the same time can be very different - it all depends on the flavorings that were added to it during its production.
At this point, factory-manufactured fluids can have a different formulation and a different ratio of glycerin to propylene glycol. Sometimes the formulation is indicated on the packaging of the liquid, sometimes not, often the manufacturer does not report such details at all. There are several main variants of consistence:
  • Classical: 50/50 or so. A good balance between taste and quantity of vapor, the liquid is relatively non-viscous, suitable for small electronic cigarettes with small coils. Does not require a lot of flavors.
  • With a high content of glycerin (VG): a ratio of 70VG/30PG or 80VG/20PG. A large amount of vapor, but increased viscosity and requires a large concentration of flavor in the liquid to dampen the not very pleasant taste of the glycerin itself.
  • Without propylene glycol: it is produced on pure glycerin without the addition of propylene glycol, especially for consumers who have an allergic reaction to propylene glycol. Not to be confused with liquids referred to as MAX VG - this designation is applied to liquids containing propylene glycol only in the form of flavors based on it.
Liquids with a high content of glycerin and greater complexity of the flavor composition are often presented as "premium", intended for gourmets and vape enthusiasts. Such liquids often have complex and refined composite flavors, and their presentation is more developed: it can have additional packaging and various bonuses, such as a pack of cotton wool or replaceable spirals. Liquids oriented to everyday vaping and mass market segment usually have simpler tastes..
It should be noted that when switching from conventional cigarettes to electronic cigarettes, consumers tend to initially choose liquids with tobacco flavors, in an attempt to preserve the usual sensations. But quickly enough, most of them part with the taste of tobacco and go on to other tastes: fruit, dessert - just because they are tastier. Often people who are not familiar with electronic cigarettes before, refuse to vape liquids with fruit or dessert flavors because in their view it is something like flavored tobacco, but in fact a strawberry-flavored liquid tastes not a strawberry tobacco, but a strawberry candy, and this is not the same thing.
Any "tobacco" liquids, even if they are called in the manner of popular brands of ordinary cigarettes, have a very, very remote relation to the taste of cigarettes, because it convincingly imitates the whole bunch of filth that the smoker tastes by inhaling tobacco smoke with the help of harmless food flavors is simply impossible. And if it turned out, it is unlikely to vape such a liquid would be nicer and safer than smoking conventional cigarettes.

To be continued...

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  BATPACK with Joye ECO D16 Kit Launching
Posted by: Ellen - 04-24-2018, 01:54 PM - Forum: Joyetech New Products - Replies (25)

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We’re glad to introduce you the world’s first vaporizer using AA batteries as the power source - the BATPACK and Joye ECO D16 atomizer.
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  More official support for vaping in the UK…
Posted by: Ippolit - 04-19-2018, 02:54 PM - Forum: E-cigarette News and Regulations - No Replies

Support for vaping from the UK National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (NICE).

18th April 2018 Vaped News

Smoking rates are declining in the UK and it has been reported that e-cigarettes have helped many of these former smokers quit. However, almost 7 million people in England still smoke, meaning there is further room for improvement.

Public Health organisations and experts are therefore increasingly encouraging medical professionals and smoking cessation services to allow vaping to reach its full potential as a cessation aid.

Public Health England endorsed e-cigarettes in a recent report and urged cessation services to promote them to smokers. Since then, e-cigarette tips for nurses have been published in Nursing in Practice so it looks like authorities are taking notice.

Further support for this initiative has recently been published, and this time from the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (NICE).

The NICE guideline gives the following recommendations on e-cigarettes for health and social care workers in primary and community settings.

“For people who smoke and who are using, or are interested in using, a nicotine-containing e‑cigarette on general sale to quit smoking, explain that:

Although these products are not licensed medicines, they are regulated by the Tobacco and Related Products Regulations 2016.

Many people have found them helpful to quit smoking cigarettes.

People using e‑cigarettes should stop smoking tobacco completely, because any smoking is harmful.

The evidence suggests that e‑cigarettes are substantially less harmful to health than smoking but are not risk free.

The evidence in this area is still developing, including evidence on the long-term health impact.”

Professor Gillian Leng, Deputy Chief Executive and Director of Health and Social Care at NICE said:

“Smoking is the main cause of preventable illness and death in England. It is imperative that we give people the support and advice they need to quit.

“Many people use e-cigarettes to help them stop smoking. The committee considered it likely that they are substantially less harmful than smoking.

“As a relatively new product, the long-term impact of their short-term use as well as the long-term health impact of their long-term use is still developing. The committee was concerned that people who smoke should not be discouraged from switching to e-cigarettes because the evidence is still developing. Our guidance therefore recommends that healthcare professionals help people make informed decisions on their use.”

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